Posts by Jon Preston

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Theists, why does God allow suffering..

by The Quiet One in

..specifically, the suffering of animals.

you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

Jon Preston

So if God is real he is bound by Scientific and physical Laws and principles. And yet if hes all powerful and knows all, sees all, blah blah....why doesnt he do anything? There is ZERO point in this logic. No reason to continue to let people suffer, no reason to not intervene (especially when he makes a mild summer to pring WT bibles eh? ;-), selectively destroy the bad eggs so the good genetics can thrive...honestly i dont really see one good thing about it....maybe false hope to get through tough times?

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Evolution is just a theory

by donny in

for those who have heard this comment, check out aron ra's great site.. http://www.aronra.com/.

Jon Preston

Dont forget, cofty, we know bats arent birds like leviticus brings out As birds. Oh and we also know insects dont have just four legs yet levicitucs talks about them on all fours...hm

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Evolution is just a theory

by donny in

for those who have heard this comment, check out aron ra's great site.. http://www.aronra.com/.

Jon Preston

Cold steel- you, mate, are stuck on thinking everything that tries to gain converts is a cult...mormons even say that christianity was and is a cult right?

Bit imagine if people could hold their ideas, and i stress IDEAS, without being told they are wrong...and if the are wrong, having concrete proof to show it but without discrimination. Or better yet, imagine a place where things are NOT viewed in religous biases or preconceived notions....for me, call it atheism, but it is the natural world that is testable and observable that i find fascinating. Hide behind your walls of religion while pretending to accept all people but for le agnostics and atheists are the most open minded individuals ive met....

its easy to say that your religion doesnt negate evolution...but ask yourself mate

and really read each line and verse of your bible....Does science and the universe and evolution negate Religion or GOD....trust me there are MANY holes!

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Movie coming out for Easter 2014 release: "Heaven Is For Real"

by adamah in

with a release date of easter 2014, coming soon to a theatre near you: hollywood (tristar pictures) is capitalizing on the near-death-experience theme with a movie starring greg kinnear.

here's a hd trailer:.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih8hmfinsbg.

Jon Preston

What would intrigue me or at least seem more research-worthy is if an atheist had a near-death experience with zero religious indoctrination THEN said he went to heaven....i dream about cool stuff too! Doesnt make it real ....

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Cain and Abel: Literal or allegorical? Symbolic?

by Jon Preston in

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i would love to hear a believers point on this!

from an interesting point of view:.

"jehovahs witnesses, and some others, believe that humans did not eat meat until after the flood.

Jon Preston

Kate didnyounrewd it yet?

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Tattoo Ideas

by Jon Preston in

so listen i am getting a tattoo.

if you arent familiar with liverpool fc and "youll never walk alone" then you may not understand what this represents to me.

see, it is t just a football (soccer in usa) club.

Jon Preston

Gregor--do u have tattoos? Are you a christian? Jw?

If you have an issue with tattoos dknt comment. This thread is for artistic people who view tattoos positively...i just need some artistic inspiration.

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Tattoo Ideas

by Jon Preston in

so listen i am getting a tattoo.

if you arent familiar with liverpool fc and "youll never walk alone" then you may not understand what this represents to me.

see, it is t just a football (soccer in usa) club.

Jon Preston

I alrewdy have tattoos mate im not stupid.

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Tattoo Ideas

by Jon Preston in

so listen i am getting a tattoo.

if you arent familiar with liverpool fc and "youll never walk alone" then you may not understand what this represents to me.

see, it is t just a football (soccer in usa) club.

Jon Preston

Hi! So listen I am getting a tattoo. If you arent familiar with liverpool fc and "Youll Never Walk Alone" then you may not understand what this represents to me. See, it is t just a football (soccer in usa) club. But its a worldwide community of people who support what the club stands fir: integrity, courage, truth, love, devotion, Passion, and justice. These words ring true for me as a prisoner of thw WT.

" When you walk through a storm
Hold your head up high
And don't be afraid of the dark
At the end of the storm
There's a golden sky
And the sweet silver song of a lark

Walk on...
Through the wind
Walk on...
Through the rain
though your dreams be tossed and blown...

Walk on... (walk on)
Walk on... (walk on)
With hope (with hope)
In your heart...
And you'll never walk alone
You'll never walk alone.
Alone...

Walk on... (walk on)
Walk on... (walk on)
With hope (with hope)
In your heart...
And you'll never walk alone"

these words, as juvenile as i may sound, have rescued me from the depths of darkness....to find light--in my wife, my children, my family, and liverpool football club.

So because of this I feel compelled to find a customised and artistic way of tattoing this "Youll Never Walk Alone" on myself with some family themes added.

But i need your help! Any artistic ones among you, can you help? Just ideas would help. And much appreciated. This is very important to me and my new found freedom. Thanks! And i have to sincerely thank all here at JWN for ALL the help and live ive received. :-) i love you all, even if theres no REAL name to the avatar you use.

To you all,

You'll Never Walk Alone

JP

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Another problem with the bible and its stories..

by Crazyguy in

in the bible god created perfect man and woman, they died about a thousand years after their creation and they had children.

we are led to believe that again these guys are perfect until they sinned and then as time goes on each generation becomes more sinful and therefore less perfect.

so why then is the earliest writings found primitive pictures and then basic symbols for a alphabet.

Jon Preston

Heres something else God made a mistake on....Believers see if u catch on:

God actually thought that hares chewed their cud. It was an easy mistake to make, because if you put a rabbit in a cage without food, before long, you will notice it chewing something. Like many animals, it will eat its own feces, in order to gain nutrients from undigested material. It’s the type of mistake that a casual observer might make.

All winged insects that go upon all fours are an abomination to you. Yet among the winged insects that go on all fours you may eat those which have legs above their feet, with which to leap on the earth. – Leviticus 11:20,21

Has anyone seen a winged insect that goes on all fours? And, what’s up with “legs above their feet”?

And these you shall have in abomination among the birds, they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, the vulture, the osprey... the stork, the heron according to its kind, the hoopoe, and the bat. – Leviticus 11:13,19

Here is another mistake that a casual observer would make. The bat flies like a bird, but is actually a mammal.

As well, God seems to think that dragons (Isa 13:22), satyrs (Isa 13:21), and unicorns (Isa 34:7) actually existed.

I won’t take a detailed look into the creation account, since that was covered earlier. However, don’t forget that God made plants before the sun. He also created the various types of animals in the wrong order – the fossil record shows otherwise

again--this info is from "The Atheist Book of Bible Stories"

enjoy.

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Another problem with the bible and its stories..

by Crazyguy in

in the bible god created perfect man and woman, they died about a thousand years after their creation and they had children.

we are led to believe that again these guys are perfect until they sinned and then as time goes on each generation becomes more sinful and therefore less perfect.

so why then is the earliest writings found primitive pictures and then basic symbols for a alphabet.

Jon Preston

How about this?

Adam and eve are chillin naked in the garden, all perfect and such....then God decides to tell them about this tree in the garden and if they eat the fruit, in that day they shall die. Well Adam and eve are so perfect and innocent they dont even ask God what death is. Nope they just keep living until a serpent with legs shows up and tells Eve the truth. That her eyes would be opened and aware of good and bad. Then she its it and get her hubby to eat. God gets pissed. "WTF" he says. So after God gave them an empty warning, set a trap for them, didnt tell them why he created the tree or why it was so bad to eat it....he curses them for apparently utilizing the free will they didnt even know they had....few. Then, since hes so pissed he causes an abracadabra magic change in their genetics and cuts The legs off the snake and makes him scoot around on his belly to eat dust (which they eat other animals....) forever. So i would say that based on this....Adam and eve werent perfect...and it raises some intresting ideas about how sweet and loving God is.....